Mixed Raced?

[DonDaddyD]

She is upset becaues her husband is black, and her children are black and she knows they are speaking against them.

This was taken from a post in the 'White Women who love Black Men come hither' thread. I couldn't overlook this comment. If this women is white and her husband is black how can her children be considered black or white?

I find that the most annoying thing when I speak to my white friends and they simply dismiss and somewhat disown mixed raced people, by deeming them black. It is as almost as though the other (white) side of their genetic makeup doesn't exist and I personally find that disrespectful to them. Not that I'm saying that post is disrespectful in anyway. I just wanted to see what others thought of this fact and how they view and look at the race/color of mixed raced people.

Do you consider them white or black or actually mixed raced?

Also I know their are white women on this site I was wondering, if you had a child with a black man. Would your baby be black or white and if so why?

 

[Karma]

i was in a long term relationship with with a black man and we were at the point where "having children" became a topic of discussion for the very topic of this post.

this is something that SHOULD be discussed by all interracial couples who have or will have children because this world is a very unforgiving place at times.

personally, it boggles my mind when a mixed race child who has a black father and a white mother is constantly told that "you are black...it does not matter if your mother is white, your still black"...so what does that mean?? that the mother's heritage, and involvement in the child is totally negated??

the fact of the matter IS..no matter WHO says what...that the child IS bi-racial, has the genetic heritage of BOTH the mother AND the father...his/her physical features will probably take on the genetic traits that are more dominant from either parent... but looks aside...the parents should be VIGILANT to expose the children to BOTH worlds, both heritages and allow the child to explore both sides to his/her comfort level...all the while supporting them and rienforcing them when OUTSIDERS try to tell them that they will be psychologically disturbed or have other problems (you would be AMAZED at what people..both white AND black have to say about bi racial children and how IMPOSSIBLE it is for them to lead normal lives :rolleyes)

When i have a baby..(and most likely it will be bi racial) my husband and will make SURE that he/she sees an equal representation of BOTH his/her heritages and make it possible for him to experience a multitude of things, and be very willing to discuss the ills of society when it comes to skin color prejudice because it will do no good to have our heads in the sand when it comes to the problems and discrimination that we as a family would face.

 

[Osiris]

This is one of those open-ended questions that will lead all of us in circles, never coming to a definite conclusion.

I for one, have never considered such an issue. From what I do know, most tend to consider the child "black" based on looks and skin color alone. In this world, oftentimes people classify you by your appearance first. This in fact was one of the highlights of MLK's I have a dream speech.

For instance, I was listening to the local radio station this morning, and a Bosnian Muslim woman called in to complain about harrassment, when she described herself she said she was white. Now, maybe its just me, but what makes her white, I believe that it is skin color. I have heard many an Arab call themselves white, even when there are very dark Arabs which they call black.

Now, obviously the child is bi-racial, but in this society your normally what you look like, even if it isnt true, because no one is going to ask you. I believe that the bi-racial child tends to fall into the look identification trap, and begins to embrace what he/she looks like more.

Like Spellbinder said, the Parents need to better educate their children, more importantly we as a society need to get over skin color......I know wishful thinking.....

 

[Oblivion]

Ahem, considering I am Bi-Racial, I feel that I can relate to this topic pretty well. Although I don't look black, or white - I'm one of the few that look like either, a white kid with a good tan - or a really light skinned black man. So usually I'm asked whether I'm black or white, since I have both characteristics of my dad (Who's white), and my mom (Who's well, obviously black), which really doesn't bother me much. Like everyone else has said, the parents just need to expose their child to both cultures - which is what I've been exposed to since I was born. People just need to realize the color of your skin isn't really an issue, and whether they are black, white, OR mixed - doesn't matter.

My parents made it a point that I was shown to both of the lifestyles, and just because I've lived with my mom since I was young doesn't mean I'm 'more black' then I am white, which when you come to think about it - is pretty stupid. And the bit about bi-racial children having such a hard time growing up and all that, is bullshit. Unless the parents neglect to help their child understand both 'worlds', then he/she won't have any more problems growing up then the rest of the world. I make it a point to get it out to people that I am yes both black and white, in other words - Mixed. If people can't get over that irrelevant part about me, then they aren't worth it anyway. (Luckily, I've had very little people that judge me because of my race, but then again - I still am young).

People just need to get over the fact that we were all put on the earth for a reason, and wasting our time fighting over racial issues, religion, and all that crap is useless. Life is too short to worry about irrelevant parts of each other such as the color of their skin, people just need to start realizing that and getting over their own problems instead of creating idiotic NEW ones:nod:.

And thats my two cents ^_^

 

[DonDaddyD]

Life is too short to worry about irrelevant parts of each other such as the color of their skin, people just need to start realizing that and getting over their own problems instead of creating idiotic NEW ones:nod:.

And thats my two cents ^_^

Well said, but for me being black isn't simply the color of my skin. It is very much who I am. For me being black is my heritage/history my thoughts and more. I know we are all the same on the inside but I personaly love and enjoy being black and it is something that runs through me. For me it is just not skin deep. I'm curious to know why bi-racial people are referred to as black in terms of color with all respect clearly they are not as much as clearly they are not white.

By-racial isn't simply white and black, I mean where I'm from if you had an anglo-indian child they aren't referred to as either Indian or white (I can remeber this back at school). Why is it different for a person of black-white parentage?

 

[ZorCrow]

In Lousianna if you have more than 3% black blood in your body you are considered black. The same reason Sammy Sosa and Pedro Martinez are not black, they are Latins. But even though they are darker than I am with more African features than half my relatives, they know to avoid the social stigma of being "black." Being black in our society is being a "Nigger" it's the ultimate anti black racial slur, they it means you are less than, that you are inferior, that you are a reject in the site of our world and our society, you are our enemy, you are what we fear, you are a criminal, you are poor, you are ignorant, you are vile.

That is the social stigma with black and being called it, that is why we in western civilization run away from it . . . no one wants to be black.

I agree we should dump race lables and realize we are all humans that is the key to understanding, even with cultural differences.

When i have a baby..(and most likely it will be bi racial) my husband and will make SURE that he/she sees an equal representation of BOTH his/her heritages and make it possible for him to experience a multitude of things, and be very willing to discuss the ills of society when it comes to skin color prejudice because it will do no good to have our heads in the sand when it comes to the problems and discrimination that we as a family would face.

We sure will beautiful as long as the kids look like you

 

[Clara Oswald]

Well I'll probably get in trouble here but what they hey, I'll add my 11 cents


I remember thinking about this issue when there was the big to do about Halle Berry being the first black woman to win best actress. Yet her mom is white - so why is she any more black than white?

I think Osiris is right - to some extent it's looks. But I think sometimes it's just the stigma - my brother in law's brother is marrying a woman who has a biracial son. And her parents completely rejected her and the baby. Now I don't know the why behind that, but... He actually looks more Latino or like a very tan white kid than black.

 

[DonDaddyD]

that you are inferior, that you are a reject in the site of our world and our society, you are our enemy, you are what we fear, you are a criminal, you are poor, you are ignorant, you are vile.

That is the social stigma with black and being called it, that is why we in western civilization run away from it . . . no one wants to be black.

Question didn't Ali attempt to make Black beautiful? Malcolm X proves that we can be educated and rise from the bottom end of society.

I'm sorry (maybe it's got to do with me being across the pond) but I disagree with your description of what black is. Now I hope that that isn't your view. Black for me is a culture, a race of people. Culture transcends society and should never be dictated to by any society and ‘being Black’ is to embrace that culture that race. . How is it that other cultures are looked upon in the highest esteem and 'being black' is frowned upon. Black culture is a beautiful thing and sure there are darker sides to that culture but what culture doesn't good points and bad points?

How you can think that Black culture and a black person embracing who he is encompasses those things I'll never know. Just because someone is Black and enjoys being who he/she is doesn't mean that they are ignorant, poor or a criminal. I think it is more ignorant to think a person is only limited by the stereotypes of their race.

I can't believe i read that. I mean in today’s multi-cultural society who would think such a thing still. Haven't black people finally proven that they can be accepted as respected members of society? That they can be top of the class in things other than sport? It truly hurts to know that my black culture is still looked at as a negative thing, after years of integration into society.

As for biracial children I think they are referred to as black due to an unconscious elitist view that by having black blood within you. You are far less than white. Not my view at all.

I am of the opinion that all people are equal and colour doesn't have anything to do with it. I believe that your race and your culture can define who you are (dependant on your upbringing). Though that doesn't mean your going to be far less if you are bought up with heavy ideals to White, Black, Indian or Asian culture. All it means is you may think differently, you may hold different values at heart and you may like different types of music foods activities. I don't think a person’s race has anything to do with wealth intelligence beauty or

 

[ZorCrow]

Question didn't Ali attempt to make Black beautiful? Malcolm X proves that we can be educated and rise from the bottom end of society.

I'm sorry (maybe it's got to do with me being across the pond) but I disagree with your description of what black is. Now I hope that that isn't your view. Black for me is a culture, a race of people. Culture transcends society and should never be dictated to by any society and ‘being Black’ is to embrace that culture that race. . How is it that other cultures are looked upon in the highest esteem and 'being black' is frowned upon. Black culture is a beautiful thing and sure there are darker sides to that culture but what culture doesn't good points and bad points?

How you can think that Black culture and a black person embracing who he is encompasses those things I'll never know. Just because someone is Black and enjoys being who he/she is doesn't mean that they are ignorant, poor or a criminal. I think it is more ignorant to think a person is only limited by the stereotypes of their race.

I can't believe i read that. I mean in today’s multi-cultural society who would think such a thing still. Haven't black people finally proven that they can be accepted as respected members of society? That they can be top of the class in things other than sport? It truly hurts to know that my black culture is still looked at as a negative thing, after years of integration into society.

As for biracial children I think they are referred to as black due to an unconscious elitist view that by having black blood within you. You are far less than white. Not my view at all.

I am of the opinion that all people are equal and colour doesn't have anything to do with it. I believe that your race and your culture can define who you are (dependant on your upbringing). Though that doesn't mean your going to be far less if you are bought up with heavy ideals to White, Black, Indian or Asian culture. All it means is you may think differently, you may hold different values at heart and you may like different types of music foods activities. I don't think a person’s race has anything to do with wealth intelligence beauty or

I understand what you are saying, but as you say you are not in America errrr AMERIKKKA that looks upon black people with disdain. Whites think, some whites, that we actually made up racism and that all things were good and even when slavery was abolished in 1865. They forget about segregation and slavery without the chain. In fact the honest truth is we haven't had a completely intergrated society in America only for about 34 years this fall. The fall of 1971 was when mass integration swept through America.

So after 34 years of equality and institutionalized racism, you can see why being black is beautiful and you can overcome. Black is beautiful way before Ali, Black is beautiful going back to Adam and Eve. I am proud to be black, and the LORD JESUS has blessed me to have great success in this life, but that doens't mean that racism doesn't exist, and that the nasty monster doesn't remind me of "nigger" many times during the week.

 

[DonDaddyD]

Well said, im my humble experiences America does tend to have further extremes on both sides of their social spectrum when compared to England. So I can imagine that in some parts of America racism is still rife. As equally other parts can be really accepting.

 

[Clara Oswald]

Everywhere has its problems though - like with Rio Ferdinand et al and the England team playing in Spain and getting racist comments made about them.

 

[DonDaddyD]

Pardon... Rio..... Wow you know who Rio Ferdinand is wow! lol

Not many Americans like soccer from my own experiences and that was from a news report researching into whether anyone in America knew that their team had gotten exceptionally far in the World Cup they only found one person... was it you? lol seriously just kidding. I just didn't expect to be speaking football on this site.

Ironically though Vilandra, the Spainish were ok with Rio and Ashley Cole (who are both mixed race) at the start of the game. It was only until Shawn Wright-Phillips (One to watch!) was included into the game that the spainiards begun making Gorilla noises throughout the 100,000 seater stadium. Wrright-Phillips is a dark skin toned Black guy. Personally it was really upsetting to see. But in Europe almost everyone is racist when it comes to football.

People don't understand the fine line between patriotism and racism.